A big thing we’ve seen a lot of over the past year or so, has been timing chain problems on the Chevy Traverse, Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia, and Buick Enclave. All of these SUV’s have the 3.6 liter V6 engine with dual overhead cams. What is happening on these vehicles is that the timing chains are stretching which leads to correlation errors with the cam sensors and actuators.
Usually we see this only on 2007-2009 model year vehicles. After 2010, General Motors has seemed to correct the problem with updated chains and ECM calibrations.
This was first thought to be caused by lack of oil changes, and there was a recall to update the vehicle’s computer to shorten the oil life monitor. This was supposed to get customers in sooner to change their oil, thus hopefully eliminating sludge build up, heat, and excess wear and tear that leads to the chains actually stretching some.
On the older models, this didn’t seem to matter. They would still be coming in with the check engine light on and usually running rough. There would most times be trouble codes for cam sensor/actuator correlation, usually on bank 1. Something like a p0017 and a P0008 would definitely mean the engine has stretched chains. Now, this is no small job!! The entire engine and transmission has to come out on a lift table. This requires much work, just even disconnecting all the wiring harnesses and sensors. The air conditioning system has to be recovered and lines removed from the compressor. The trans cooler lines and power steering cooler lines have to be disconnected. The shift linkage, complete engine harness, upper and lower radiator hoses, and fuse box just all come out just to name a few.
Then, once the engine is out and accessible, the real work begins! After removal of the valve covers, intake manifold, power steering pump, belt, tensioner, water pump pulley, alternator and crank pulley, the aluminum front cover can come off. There are quite a few bolts that hold it on and they all have a small rubber seal that goes on each bolt. Now, finally, you can access the actual timing chains where the problem lies.
Once you can get your hands on the chains, you can easily feel the excessive play in the chain from being too far stretched out. This leads to the timing being off, setting the check engine light on, and usually a rough idle. There are three different chains that will require replacement with the updated parts. There is also some special tools needed, such as camshaft holding tools, etc, that are needed to do this job.
The chains, guides, hydraulic tensioners can all be taken off and the chains removed. Now the engine can be placed at top dead center and the holding fixtures installed on the cams once the timing marks are lined up on the crank gear and oil pump cover. The left chain goes in first, following the timing procedure, then the primary chain, then finally the right side cam chain. Once all the chains have been installed, and their guides and tensioners, the process of putting it all back together can begin. Let’s just say this is NOT a job for the backyard mechanic. It will take even the most experienced technicians the better part of a whole day to do this job, sometimes longer.
Luckily for most customers, the powertrain warranty covers this repair up to 100,000 miles. Otherwise it would be very expensive to repair. So, if you’re having these symptoms, don’t wait another minute to go in to your dealership and get this checked out!
Below are two pictures so you can see just how involved this job is. The first pic is of the entire engine/trans assembly out of the Traverse and ready to disassemble. The second pic is a close up of the three timing chains that will be replaced. You can see there are quite a few sprockets, and things to go around!
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2010 traverse had chain replaced at 62000. 2 yrs ago. Now 105000 chains beat again!!
I am in the same boat as everyone on here it seems. 95,000 mi on my 10 traverse and need to come up with $2,500 to have it repaired. We have 4 boys and are already paying out for a new roof new driveway and a wedding in a year. I am very upset that I am on the same boat as so many and yet gm is doing nothing about it. I read through all of these comments and found the # for the lawsuit lawyers Morgan and morgan. I will be calling. They were so quick to recall a quick 15 min fix to my lift gate but won’t cop up to the still an issue timing chain. Hoping one day soon gm will realize how much of a problem this is and be there for the people they depend on. If they don’t stand behind their vehicles and issues and help out the people they won’t have people buying their vehicles any longer
What does having 4 boys, a wedding, a driveway, and a roof have to do with any duty that you are owed by GMC?
Donald Trump is not busting his tail everyday so that whiney libtards like you and your 4 special snowflake “boys” can suck of the tit of entitlement!
It is time to take some personal responsibility! Call a lawyer? You have a 6 year old car with almost 100k miles! Do you really feel that entitled? Well TRIGGER WARNING snowflake–we real Americans don’t care!
You can go back to your safe space and whine about not getting your Obamacare, your Obamaphone, or your welfare check: or you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and do something about it!
Jim Bannon, REALLY?!?!? Knock it off with the politics and find another site….
did you contact them or the lawyer? just checking as i also have a 10 traverse with 90,000 miles and same issue
2007 GMC Acadia bought it at 94,000 miles now at 110,000 and have timing chain issues $2500.00 repair that is not gaurenteed omg- shame on you General Motors you will never get another penny from me.
Well I guess I will join the Timing Chain club my 2010 Traverse with 80,000 miles was just in the shop 4/7/2017 for repairs and it cost me 2,932.32 to fix it.
Same thing with my 2010 Acadia. It’s in the shop right now and I can’t even afford to get it fixed! I’m calling the law firm too.
Having same issues dealer will not fix dealer will not fix. 3184237918 class action lawsuit against g mc for not fixing issues
So do I need to contact this Morgan and Morgan law firm to join this suit? My 2009 traverse just has 87,000 miles but I have the same light and problems as others.
Sir,
I just found out today that I have the same problem everyone else here does with the timing chain on my 2011 GMC Acadia with 92,000 miles. Last Thursday I tried to start it, it sputtered roughly for a few seconds and stopped. Two weeks prior to this, a CEL came on for a day and then went off, but other than that there have been no issues. After having it towed in, the GMC dealer tells me that there is little to no compression, and after tearing the engine down to check timing chains, they believe that the timing chain must have jumped and I now need a new engine to the tune of $7,500 because they are 95% certain that this would have resulted in damage due to the valves hitting the pistons. Is it worth having them do a leak down test to confirm that there is damage to the valves? Also why in your opinion, would they recommend replacing the entire engine instead of repairing the potential damage (if there is any)? Thanks!
Absolutely ridicules GM doesn’t take responsibility for selling such a high price vehicle and then recall 2009 knowing that 2010 are having the same issues with the timing chain. Not even worth fixing it when you got it used for 5k and now they want 2k to 3k to repair this issue. “Law Suits” should be filed and this needs to be taken care of. I say we call TRUMP to make CHEVY GREAT again. P0017 and P0008 check engine light codes.
My timing change was replaced a year ago under warranty unfortunately the issue has occurred again and no longer covered. My engine is running really rough and throws codes associated to the cam shaft. Repair tech says it’s related to the timing chain. Unfortunately I can not afford to repair my 2010 traverse for over $3000.00 so it sits and I pay the payments. If there is a lawsuit I would like to know about it as the cost to repair is half of the vehicles value now as the traverse value have rapidly depreciated
I have a 2011 Traverse and code just popped up at 102k miles. Nice!! This seems to be a reaccuring issue. Gm is gonna get an earful.
Anyone have update on this or lawsuit? Who do we contact? Help. PLEASE
Sadly, I get to join the club. My 2010 Traverse, which we purchased brand new, had the engine light go on & off intermittently over the past few months. I brought it in to our Chevy dealership and was told the entire timing chain system has to be replaced, which involves taking the engine out. OH, and by the way, your water pump is leaking as well and has to be replaced. The charge just for the timing chain job is $2,800. The car has about 79,000 miles on it but is out of warranty since we are past 5 years (the powertrain warranty is 5 years/ 100,000 miles). How do I find information about a class action law suit?
this happened to my wife’s Traverse at 103,000 miles. after two weeks the timing chain tensioner failed and the whole engine had to be pulled and a new tensioner put in. Luckily I have a great mechanic and he did not charge me a penny. 6 months later and the tensioner goes out again. again my mechanic is repairing on his nickle, but he now suspects it has something to do with insufficient oil pressure, although we have never had a oil light come on. Anyone else had something similar happen?
2009 outlook. Already had the timing chain recall done around 70k, Im just out of warranty and guess what booom, engine failure. After reading lots of common problems I found a video where a guy in Australia explains the whole problem. It goes back to the PCV valve on the valve covers. The rear one gets plugged up and then the only engine vent is the front one. It sucks oil out of the engine into the intake manifold burns it and you dont know it happening. Now you are way low on oil and like mine, drove up a small hill and you lose oil pressure. The timing chain actuators use oil pressure to function. Instant pressure loss and the actuators retract and booooom timing chain jumps the gear. WTF
2010 chevy traverse lt same problem103000 miles…help please…..
Called Morgan and morgan about a class action with my 2010 chevy traverse phone 877-667-4265
We are at 106k miles and we’re told by chevy dealership that the timing chain has stretched and needs to be replaced and also the camshaft we were told it would cost between $3000 to $9000 to repair of coarse our warranty is out at 1000k. We bought our chevy traverse 09 at 500 miles (new) and upon research of the vehicle report it was discovered that the timing chain and camshaft was replaced at 61k and also again at 81k this cost was covered by the extra warranty we purchased when we contacted steward Chevrolet there excuse was we did not change the oil every 3k miles. We were never notified of this after the first or second timing chain repair we were still going by the oil life monitor.
We were not notified that the timing chain and cam shaft were previously repaired nor was the oil life monitorever adjusted by chevy since we purchased the traverse. the oil light has never came up as I never let it go below 25%life
GM and The dealership Chevrolet are both washing there hands of this huge issue that they are aware and no have no regard for our safety.
This will be the fourth timing chain . I don’t know what to do at this stage
Please include us in a class action suit we have all our documentation
This is very disheartening. My 2010 chevy traverse started to have issues less than a year after I got it. I got it used June 2015 and between 75,000 and 85,000 miles i started to notice issues. My check engine light would come on and I’d take it in only to notice it would be off again. Diagnostic after diagnostic Chevy couldn’t figure it out. When they were finally able to check the computer for the codes (when the check engine light stayed on) they told me it was my timing belt. It was going to be 5,000 plus just to fix it. GMC didn’t cover it and the man I spoke to told be exactly what everyone else has started. GMC knows there is an issue but refuses to fix it because the issue hasnt caused a death. I can’t understand why GMC would want someone to die in order to recall the timing! I am fixing to call GMC directly tomorrow. Fingers crossed they do what is right.
Is there a lawsuit? Same problem with our 2010 traverse with 29,000 miles!!!! We are 2 weeks out of warranty and GM refuses to pay anything! With so many people having the EXACT same problem, it says to me that it’s a terrible design. If anyone has info on a lawsuit or a contact at GM that will help out please reply, thanks
I have a 2010 Chevrolet Traverse and it has been a nightmare. My vehicle is out of warranty so I contacted Chevy and they covered 1/2 of the cost. Sounds great right ? WRONG after 2 weeks later the same problem came back. So I returned The car to the dealership and for the second time repaired the car. Now here I am 6 months later and the check engine lights back on with the same codes as in the very beginning.Im at lost with what to do? It seems their is a huge problem with Chevy .Is there anything that us as the consumer can do ? Even though they cover 1/2 the cost it still ran me upwards of $2000.00 .And the issue is still not corrected.
2010 traverse no CEL same problem junk engine timing what you want to call it 108k engine just locked up while on vacation prior to this we had truck@ dealer with under 100k for other recalls rear hatch door,seat belts, steering and mentioned weird engine noise now I’ve been a mechanic 15 years and never heard any engine sound like this they told me its all good and said it was a high pressure fuel solenoid on DI it has to mantain over 1500 psi that is what you hear so i believed them I stressed to them it sounded to me like oil was not circulating in the engine under the right pressure cause cold start up was even worst noise than what the running engine sounded like. Anyway they would not cover it either way so we torn it down. Nothing would turn even with the chains removed from the engine. From bottom to top bad engine or no oil circulating. By the way I always use Mobil 1 Ext Performance Dexos and K&N filter
Religiously and check my oil on all of our vehicles once a week.Since when do we manufacture engines with timing chains that fall under routine maintenance any engine with a chain for timing is meant to last the life of the engine period look that up. Why do honda and toyota timing BELTS last longer than chevy chains no joke there it’s a fact .Please stick with Honda or Toyota nothing comes even close to engine quality US auto makers need to learn how to make a VVT engine form Japan.
My 2010 Acadia is in the shop right now for theexample exact same thing. Stretch timing chain. Quoted 3100 to repair
2012 traverse same issue 113k miles on it.
2009 traverse. 130k miles same deal. How do we file for the lawsuit?
Exact same deal! 2009 Traverse, 130,000 mi. Chevy will not cover it…
So add me to this list….I have a 2010 GMC Acadia with 67K miles and my CEL was going on/off for several weeks. I first took it to Autozone for the free diagnostic report and it gave me the dreaded P0008. I was then going to take it into GMC but it went off for a bit but then yesterday came back on. So I took it in, got the 3K repair bill, and am now trying to comprehend how this defect is not yet being considered a manufacturer recall. It can’t be coincidence that this make/model/year is having this obscure issue at the same time (as the 2009 recall addressed).
I did call Morgan & Morgans per this thread and they took down my info the first time it occured (a few weeks back) but no return-call yet so I’m not holding my breath on that. If anyone gets any info on this being added to the recall repair list for GMC or if you know how to fight this to become a recall, please let me know.
Please contact me and let me know how to join lawsuit.
I have a 2010 traverse and it is currently in the shop having the timing chain replace again. 3.5 years ago the timing chain was replaced. Can you please email me the morgan and morgan information. Thank you
Me too. I will join. I have a 2010 Traverse 88,412
Please if you find anything out about lawsuit let me know. I have a long history of transmission, timing chain, and crank shaft repairs on my 2010 Traverse. Most recently my valves are misfiring and it’s recommended I don’t fix the car. It would burn oil terribly to the point I’d be way low with routine oil changes. I really did my like my Traverse just frustrated by all the mechanical issues.
My 2010 Traverse has the exact symptoms. CEL going on and off. 3K repair. same issue as 07-09
2009 GMC Acadia 106K miles and NOW I have issues with the timing chains. Of course I’m right over the warranty limit. This is ridiculous!
Hi…is this thread still valid? I have a 2011 Traverse with the same issues. Received a quote of $3600 to repair and I’m under the mileage for warranty..just over on time. I’ve read plenty of threads where this is an issue for many owners, but when I spoke to two different people at GM, they refused to acknowledge that it’s an issue and they won’t help to compensate a portion of the cost. Ridiculous.
I fear mine is the same. 73,609 miles, P0008 code but out of the 5 year portion of the powertrain. Anything ever come of this?
+class action law suits may be in order about timing chain problems with the traverse since 2009 GM should pay at least half the cost for a problem their well aware of. My cost is $3800.00 for my 2011 with only 75k mi
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2010 GMC Acadia 71k miles. Timing chain has stretched. We missed the powertrain warranty coverage by a year, so GM declined assistance. But since timing chains should NEVER fail on a well-maintained vehicle, and since this seems to have been a known and prevalent issue since 2007, I called Morgan and Morgan this afternoon to join the class action that other owners are trying to form. (Not to mention, we’ve already racked up thousands of $s in repair costs in only 3 years of ownership.) If you have this issue, please call as well. Tweeting @ThisIsGMC and @GM and posting similar appeals on Facebook couldn’t hurt. The more similarly affected owners we can convince to contact Morgan and Morgan, the more likely that class action is to become a reality. It certainly can’t hurt.
How can I contact Morgan and Morgan?
Is there a class action? My 2009 is sitting in my garage 129,773 miles on it with alot of pricy repairs including the timing, struts, power steering and more. The vehicle acceleration is sticking which is #1 safety issues since it happened with my 8 yr old in the vehicle in rush hour traffic out of the blue! Shame on GM for waiting for a death to do anything with all the reports!!!!
Can you please email me the information to contact Morgan and Morgan?
same issues with my 2010 Traverse. Timing Chain stretched. Caused $5000 worth of damage. A week without vehicle and GM and dealership offered NOTHING to help. I called Morgan and Morgan. Hopefully enough of us will call and report it.
Same here on my 2010 Traverse. Timing Chain replaced in 2014, then Timing Chain engine code came on again in Sep 2016. Entire engine had to be replaced. $8K. Requested some help from GM due to the 2009 extension. They said No. I need in on this class action lawsuit. My email is pjscott1968@me.com.
morgan & morgan
1877-667-4265
Can you please forward me the information on how to enroll in the law suit. I have had the same issues!
Would someone send me a number to get on the lawsuit. My timing chain had to be replaced and now camshaft. My email is mhilyer85@gmail.com or text 2562670992
I am having the same issues with mine. I have spoke to Chevy and the refuse to help in anyway. Mine is a 2011. How do I get in on the law suit
I have a 2010 Chevy Traverse & my timing chain has stretched. I thought GM would treat it like the 2009’s & fix it up to 120,000 miles, but they don’t acknowledge this as an issue yet. I will be looking to join a class action suit.
Mike – any info available to get in on this suit?
Mike, the same thing happened to me today. $2250.00. I’m in on the class action suit.
Same thing happened to me how do I get involved in the class action suit
Thank you
Mike
I had the same problem with my 2010 Traverse…77777 miles on it and now we have to pay $3800 for repair of the timing chain in addition to being without the car for 2+ weeks. Information regarding how to get involved in the class action lawsuit would be appreciated. Thanks!
Same thing happened to my 2010 Traverse. Can you give me the info to get involved with the class action lawsuit?
Thank you
I have the same problem but my 2009 traverse has 121000 miles. What can I do ?
Have a 09 Saturn Outlook. Bought used from GM dealer. Warranties intact. Not long after purchasing the vehicle, noticed a miss like a bad plug, or coil. Took back to GM dealer here. They checked the vehicle and replaced the coils, or so we were told. Still noticed a miss, but they kept telling us they could not find a issue, or could not “feel the miss” when they drove it. problem would come and go.
About March this year, we had a coil go bad, as in melt, which dumped fuel into the exhaust and burned out our cat converters which were not under warranty anymore.
Long story short, repairs have been coils, camshaft sensor, crankshaft sensor, BOTH cat converters, O2 sensors, TWO computers because the first one was bad. After all this, the vehicle kept throwing codes that read P02 something. “ECM Detects Rich fuel mixture Bank 1” Anyway, took the vehicle to the GM dealer and all they wanted to do was throw in another cat converter to the tune of 900.00. Got a second opinion at another dealer. They suggested that the code and reading was because of a timing chain issue, possible stretched causing unburned fuel to get into the cat converter thus causing the code. The vehicle has 95,600 miles.
So….The dealer where the second opinion was given has done the work under warranty and has replaced the “Power Steering Assist” because we were having a issue with the steering having to be muscled literally to get it to turn under low speed, then suddenly it would catch and be ok. It was replaced under warranty as well.
Has anyone heard of these issues. Will this usually fix it???
I have a 2010 GMC Acadia. At about 77,000 miles the check engine light started coming on and off. One day it would be on the next off and it would go a week or two without coming back on. No issues with driving the car. Still a very smooth ride. Eventually brought it to the mechanic because it was continuing to do the check engine think for a couple months. Now they say I need to replace my timing chain. I have 80,000 miles on my car and its 6 yrs old! This is ridiculous! Now the mechanic says my car isn’t covered under the warranty because its only up to the 2009 models! Has anyone else with a vehicle newer than 2009 had any problems with this?
I have a 2010 Acadia with 75000 miles on it. I am getting ready to replace my timing chain as well. Love my car,but I feel gmail should cover mine as well. It has same parts as the 2009. I would join a lawsuit as well.
My 2010 Acadia has just now experienced the issue — it has 109,000 miles.
Gm is paying for my timing chain on my 2010 traverse 7 days after I got it from dealer
YES! I have a 2011 traverse. Same thing with the engine light coming off and on, finally took to Chevrolet dealer and they said it was the timing chain and would cost est. $2000! We just paid it off recently :-( The only big difference between you and I is that ours has 173,000 miles on it! My husband commuted for 3 years from here to KC ( 4hours one way) He would leave Monday and be home Friday. Now it is my delivery vehicle ( flower shop ) But still, this should not be happening to such a new car!!! I’m so upset and not sure what to do because it is obviously NOT covered under warranty. And you have to ask yourself with knowing what a huge job this is, will it all be put back exactly right and even if so, what else is lurking around the corner for another repair. Last year it was my stable track control system that cost us $800! I miss they days where they could be worked on by a common knowledge mechanic.
Same here! 2010 Acadia with 87,000 miles. Check engine light just started coming on and off, sometimes for a day, then off for several. The most it stayed on was 3 days. It runs smooth, no issues. I took it to our local GMC dealership, they confirmed it was the timing chain. Quoted me $2400 to fix it but after calling GM assistance office they were able to get dealership down to $1900. I still havent had it fixed cause I’m seeing what else I can do. I know this is a manufacturer defect cause it’s to soon for the timing chain to have an issue and seeing everyone with the same issue as me. I’m just mad that I would have to pay this out of my pocket. However they are aware cause the GM rep told me that if this ends up being a recall, I would be reimbursed just to save my receipts. I think the more people that call to report this, the better chance we’ll get this fixed under an extended warranty!!
My 2009 GMC Acadia is doing all of the same things.
The 2009 are covered under warranty for the timing chain. They issued an extended warrenty for 2009 Acadia only. Call your local GMC dealership or the GM customer assistance line abs they should be able to help
GMC covered the timing chain replacement on my 2009 Acadia however it has yet to fix my continuing misfiring catalytic converters clogging. I have spent thousands on repairs and make a nice monthly car payment for a vehicle that is not safe and is making an ugly yard ornament. No one will help and I cannot afford to just get another vehicle. Do you have the info I’m seeing on this site about Morgan and morgan
I have a 2009 Acadia and the timing chain needed to be replaced and GM wouldn’t cover it because it was already repaired 15,000 miles previously. I called GM myself and they paid me $990.00 but the total cost to repair it was $3,200.00. I asked them how they come up with that number and they stated because I wasn’t the first owner and it was repaired once before. “Lexi” from customer service stated that she would note the customer wasn’t happy and close out this complaint!
In the recall information on the website it states that GM will cover the cost of the timing chain up to 10 years from the first date it was initially put in service/or up to 120,000 miles in which my car didn’t have 120,000 miles on it and it was only seven years old. How do they think this is O.K? They didn’t say if/and/but they simply stated 10 years from initial date vehicle was put in service for timing chain problem or up to 120,000 miles.
How can I get in on this class action law suit?
Same Here! 2011 Traverse. UGGGG!!!
Yes mine Chevy Traverse is a 2010 and after a hour of buying it my engine light came on so I took it to the shop and it was my timing chain. So your not the only one that experience this problem. :(
So did you buy it used? If so, I’m sure thats why it was for sale. I’m in the delema of being stuck with paying to have it fixed because there’s no way I could look someone in the eye and act like nothing is wrong with it. This should already be a recall. GEEEZ! I hope that you figure out a good solution
Yes I’ve got the same problem and I still owe a lot of money to the bank I don’t know what to do, I’m sick about it. And also my wave plate in the trans. They want 9,000 for repairs what a piece of crap I’ll never buy another gm product again. For now I guess I’ll let it set and continue making payments.
I’m in the same situation with my 2009 traverse. I still owe 9000 on it has been sitting at the dealership shop for about a year . The bank or shop don’t want to do anything to help have been paying for it every since. Do not get a used vehicle from Rizer Chevrolet in Walterboro Sc.
that price is crazy…it is a $2400 job, not 9K
Christine, I have a 2010 GMC Acadia SLT II with 75,640 miles. Code P0008 Engine Time Chain issued. No covered by warranty. All 2009 models are. Fix this now, it can lead to serious engine failure. Cost is $2,000 to $3,000. Call Morgan and Morgan at 877-667-4265 to contribute you horror story for a class action suit. I called them yesterday and started the process. GMC’s customer advocate line is aware time and chain issue however until we stand up to them they will not flex. Thanks, Vince
I called today. Same issue with my 2010 Acadia with 87,000 miles. Check engine light, with P0008 code. Timing chain issue! Not covered.
I called as well.
I’ll be calling tomorrow, thanks.
just had my engine light on my 09 traverse went to dealership to have it check today they said i needed timing chain, i have 104000 miles adviser said chain stretch, oil sludge buildup i call GM cust svr and gave them my vin# he look it up and told me there was a extended warranty issued for my engine 120,000 /10 yrs great news gm knows issue with premature were and tear on timing chain due to oil monitor system less oil changes thinner timing chain used in 2009 models , they did recall and adjust monitor system to have more oil changes in 2011, even know i change my oil every 3000 miles never trusted that monitor system,
Hi folks, please call Morgan and Morgan to report this case, I have reported this for the potential for a class action suit. GMC,CHEV have a known problem per their consumer advocate line, I called today. However they will not own this mistake due to their internal research. It took 5 minutes to report this. Morgan & Morgans # is 877-667-4265.
Thanks,Vince